Comments on: A shift to control your own data http://www.eburcat.com/2008/12/a-shift-to-control-your-own-data/ Feedback looping Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:19:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mike Darnell http://www.eburcat.com/2008/12/a-shift-to-control-your-own-data/comment-page-1/#comment-119 Mike Darnell Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:32:15 +0000 http://www.eburcat.com/?p=111#comment-119 This worries you? "Do no Evil"...today... Who guarantees what Google (a commercial body) will elect to do with all the data it has in the future? cheers, mike This worries you?
“Do no Evil”…today…

Who guarantees what Google (a commercial body) will elect to do with all the data it has in the future?

cheers,
mike

]]> By: TalM http://www.eburcat.com/2008/12/a-shift-to-control-your-own-data/comment-page-1/#comment-48 TalM Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:03:58 +0000 http://www.eburcat.com/?p=111#comment-48 Great article (i like the picture) Some advantages i see in personal cloud computing: 1) Data portability, export/import all my data and metadata or share with other services. - if you decide to migrate to a similar service. 2) Flickr/Lastfm/Upcoming/Facebook/GMail like services can be either a open source plugin you install on top of it or a third party website with access to your data. 3) ability to view any angle that i choose of all my data in a simple unified way. (through a RSS viewer) 4) doesn't need to have a business model or profitable in any way. (GPL/BSD software on top of existing cloud platforms) Ori, i don't think amazon encrypts the data in memory, and since the the memory is shared with other virtual machine, potentially a hacker can take advantage of that. Since it shouldn't be so easy, it seems is pretty safe for this kind of use. someone just needs to raise the glove and code (or modify) a proper open platform to run on an AMI. another great post: http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/10/web-20-and-cloud-computing.html Great article (i like the picture)

Some advantages i see in personal cloud computing:
1) Data portability, export/import all my data and metadata or share with other services. – if you decide to migrate to a similar service.
2) Flickr/Lastfm/Upcoming/Facebook/GMail like services can be either a open source plugin you install on top of it or a third party website with access to your data.
3) ability to view any angle that i choose of all my data in a simple unified way. (through a RSS viewer)
4) doesn’t need to have a business model or profitable in any way. (GPL/BSD software on top of existing cloud platforms)

Ori, i don’t think amazon encrypts the data in memory, and since the the memory is shared with other virtual machine, potentially a hacker can take advantage of that.

Since it shouldn’t be so easy, it seems is pretty safe for this kind of use. someone just needs to raise the glove and code (or modify) a proper open platform to run on an AMI.

another great post:
http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/10/web-20-and-cloud-computing.html

]]> By: Eitan Burcat http://www.eburcat.com/2008/12/a-shift-to-control-your-own-data/comment-page-1/#comment-43 Eitan Burcat Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:47:56 +0000 http://www.eburcat.com/?p=111#comment-43 Not detailed enough for what? It's still just a general idea... I'm sure there are TONS of issues (if and) when I'll delve into the details... The direction I've thought about so far (Tal gave me some hints on this :) ), is an open source software running on EC2. Let's call it an "Angel". (Because angels seem more appropriate for living in the clouds than the "Agent"s we're all used to ;) ). This Angel can be controlled by the user from any browser, or in a scheme similar to OpenID. No need for a client nor any company's server (except for the EC2, or Google's AppEngine or whatever Microsoft will call their cloud...). I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, I have no idea what you're talking about :) This post has nothing to do with SemantiNet. Not detailed enough for what? It’s still just a general idea… I’m sure there are TONS of issues (if and) when I’ll delve into the details…

The direction I’ve thought about so far (Tal gave me some hints on this :) ), is an open source software running on EC2. Let’s call it an “Angel”. (Because angels seem more appropriate for living in the clouds than the “Agent”s we’re all used to ;) ).
This Angel can be controlled by the user from any browser, or in a scheme similar to OpenID. No need for a client nor any company’s server (except for the EC2, or Google’s AppEngine or whatever Microsoft will call their cloud…).

I’m not a fan of conspiracy theories, I have no idea what you’re talking about :)

This post has nothing to do with SemantiNet.

]]> By: Itay http://www.eburcat.com/2008/12/a-shift-to-control-your-own-data/comment-page-1/#comment-41 Itay Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:11:58 +0000 http://www.eburcat.com/?p=111#comment-41 Your alternative is not detailed enough. Are you talking about an opensource, cloud computing, implemented as a downloadable client, or interfaced with some main API on some company's server? The international banker conspiracy to take over the world through instant access to All data and enslavement through the monetry and mass media system is only frustrated by the very existence of the open internet. Yet. the profit based economy will find the relevant hack undermine these concepts, and Semantinet will need to store it's data somewhere for faster cashing, interfacing, indexing or something... Your alternative is not detailed enough.
Are you talking about an opensource, cloud computing, implemented as a downloadable client, or interfaced with some main API on some company’s server?

The international banker conspiracy to take over the world through instant access to All data and enslavement through the monetry and mass media system is only frustrated by the very existence of the open internet.

Yet. the profit based economy will find the relevant hack undermine these concepts, and Semantinet will need to store it’s data somewhere for faster cashing, interfacing, indexing or something…

]]> By: Eitan Burcat http://www.eburcat.com/2008/12/a-shift-to-control-your-own-data/comment-page-1/#comment-40 Eitan Burcat Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:16:17 +0000 http://www.eburcat.com/?p=111#comment-40 I don't have to trust Amazon's keys either... I can encrypt the data that I store on their S3/EC2 using my own encryption scheme, unrelated to Amazon's keys management. You've got a point regarding the taking-over of my whole account and deleting it completely. For this I can rely on an off-site backup. Yes, to an extent I'll have to trust my cloud provider on not taking my CPU and data down. I don’t have to trust Amazon’s keys either… I can encrypt the data that I store on their S3/EC2 using my own encryption scheme, unrelated to Amazon’s keys management.
You’ve got a point regarding the taking-over of my whole account and deleting it completely. For this I can rely on an off-site backup.
Yes, to an extent I’ll have to trust my cloud provider on not taking my CPU and data down.

]]> By: Ori Shalev http://www.eburcat.com/2008/12/a-shift-to-control-your-own-data/comment-page-1/#comment-39 Ori Shalev Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:34:49 +0000 http://www.eburcat.com/?p=111#comment-39 Nice article... Why then you trust Amazon's S3 more than GMail? To access S3 you need secret access keys which you may keep on your computer (unlike your GMail password), and once someone breaks into it you can be similarly damaged? Also, to retrieve someone's Amazon S3's access identifiers you may only need to break into his GMail account and tell Amazon you've forgot your password. Nice article…
Why then you trust Amazon’s S3 more than GMail?
To access S3 you need secret access keys which you may keep on your computer (unlike your GMail password), and once someone breaks into it you can be similarly damaged?

Also, to retrieve someone’s Amazon S3′s access identifiers you may only need to break into his GMail account and tell Amazon you’ve forgot your password.

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